Add POLLS to help gauge majority opinion

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March 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm #3032
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Safera
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Forum topic discussions certainly have their place, but Devs may consider polls on the website/forums, for some topics, useful in helping determine public opinion.

Polls may be useful for topics which don’t alter the game model much – or topics that they just want a general feel for majority opinion regarding. For instance, there may be a topic that’s been heavily debated for some time and maybe they would just like to get an idea of majority vote, instead of reading the issues over and over again and tabulating the results themselves.

Doesn’t mean Devs have to follow poll results, but may be helpful to them and they may not have thought to use a polling tool in the past.

March 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm #3033
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Corvid Mex
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I have to say I like that idea alot. Not only would it give a general feel as to what people are thinking, but it would also give a ‘voice / vote’ to those people less inclined to openly state opinions, or get involved in debates.

And as the OP stated, this may or may not have any bearing on the final decision, but instead give a viable measure of what is thought to be good or bad.

March 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm #3034
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Corvid Mex said:

Not only would it give a general feel as to what people are thinking, but it would also give a ‘voice / vote’ to those people less inclined to openly state opinions, or get involved in debates.

That’s actually one of the problems. Polls are too easy, especially when annonymous. You don’t have any idea of whether that customer has thought the issue through, and very often they don’t. This is compounded by the ease with which polls can be skewed, either intentionally or by lack of imagination. For example, are you:
A: an aggressive misogynist?
B: a rabid misogynist?

For mass-market games this isn’t much of a problem. You ask people what kind of static mob spawns they want, gnolls, trolls or soles, and they answer. However, niche products, innovative products are trying to give people something they haven’t seen or thought of before. The potential customers are too stupid to understand why non-static mob spawns would be better than any of the poll options, or they have not considered the question because it’s the first time they encounter it, and they will fill out the poll on the spot before they inform themselves. The poll results will reflect not only their opinion, but mainly their ignorance.
So, it’s a lot like political polling, really.

If we do see polls here, at the very least i would like only the Dev team to be able to create them. At least the person asking the question will be somewhat informed.

March 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm #3035
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catnips
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Id have to say one of the biggest problems with the game at the moment is input, 1 input by people that have had maybe one day in the game, 2 input by people that dont even play the game, 3 people that for whatever reason have played and no longer play but still add thier 2 cents worth, or 4 people thyat want to kiss up to the devs. All of wich lead to a very poor thought out game. the idea of the game is a great one, its just sad that they have listened to these folks, but who knows maybe they will one day wake up or maybe more folks will play longer and give honest opinions. Then ya have folks like Safera with limited in game time but have decent ideas, personaly id love to see poles but limited to folks that have played say a month or more, and i do mean PLAYED, not logged in the fourms not logged into the game and afk minning, I mean PLAYED.

March 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm #3036
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GMPathy
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There is an issue with polls, that werewolf highlighted, especially when account are so easy to manpiuplate. By having polls, statistics can be manipuated by people who have more than one account.

Having opinionated posts it is easier for the devs to take fair consideration of the many angles to each decision, not everything is always black and white or option a/b/c. By forcing players to vocalise or reconstruct there opinions in words the devs can more easily evaluate and quantify opinion and make fair judgment on how best to react to them.

There is a place for polls, and the devs have the ability to add them to posts, its just not always necessary or the best route to gathering feedback.

All IMHO

March 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm #3037
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Corvid Mex
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To: Werewolf
Firstly Id like to ask why you quote my post instead of the OP, given some of the things you spoke of, the examples you use, and your other posts on these forums, I can only summise that this is a vague attempt to flame or otherwise drag me down to your level and I’m certain I know why. So I suggests you take this behavoiur to the sandpit where it belongs.

My post, to clarify was that I believe that Polls can have a contructive place in any forum, I agreed with the OP but perhaps I should have stated that I would only like to see Polls made by the WAI team, that there is a possibility that multiple accounts could lead to corruption of the poll(s) and would have to be heavily monitored somehow. At no time have I said these should be brought in, implimented or otherwise used in any way other than as an opinion gathering method for the less vocal of the DT community.

In any given situation any polling question can be skewed towards the type of answer or result the ‘client’ is looking for and as such can be used by the devs to get an vote for something they want.

As Catnips suggest these polls should be limited to those that PLAY. Not those that visit DT like a relative in a retirement home.

Finally, I very much douby any potential poll would have any effect on the Devs, WAI or DT as far as I can see ad the Devs are the one making the game and will impliment or remove or alter game design and aspects as they see fit. As beta testers we are here to bug hunt, make suggestions and give opinions to the Dev team in order to help provide an end product many would enjoy, and nothing more.

March 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm #3038
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Hah, DT isn’t a relative in a retirement home. It’s your acquaintance’s ugly baby that you still see once in a while in hopes it’ll one day be someone worth spending time with.
I quoted your sentence, Corvid, because it was more concise.
As for flaming, there are some things that just beg it. Kill off the imbeciles of the world and i’ll have nothing to flame. Go. Chop-chop.
I’m not here to help create something many would enjoy. I’m here to help create something I would enjoy. I am the alpha and omega. If an individual can provide an interesting idea in a post, my opinion of what i may enjoy could change. I should hope, however, that i don’t become so weak-minded as to change my stance to try to fit in with some popular opinion. Polls work against this. We are, unfortunately, social animals, wired to play along.

Speaking of which Catnips (and it is always painful to wade through those un-punctuated bogs you call posts) i do hope you’re not planning on taking your idea any further. The next-to-last thing needed around here is the formation of an in-crowd of veteran players.

Customer feedback can often do more harm than good. The issue of multiple accounts skewing results is minor compared to the results themselves skewing opinion, making a market necessity out of what was originally one whim among many.

March 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm #3039
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catnips
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lol funny but I keep seeing we should add this or that and its already in the game, so no these one time players or once in a whial players ( oh does that shoe fit?) and didnt know we had grammer nazies in here, Id say get over yourself. and I to stand by what I said if ya want to be able to add your 2 cents worth, then what ya have to say should be worth 2 cents at least, not a drive by post.

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