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that was exactly what me and the other guy meant ^^

The issue with Tab targeting like WOW, and TOR, etc, that it is to gear based and less skill… That is one of my issues with it and its boring as hell.. I like Skyrim, and Darkfall, most people who hate twitch style just have no skill and can’t handle it. But the fact is , twitch based and combat like that makes it fell more real, unlike WOW..

Now if they did it close to AOC that would be better than WOW’s combat… SO hopefully they will have a little more skill base than rock , paper sissor style combat.. ZZZzzzZZZ

I pretty much will give up on Dawntide and I been here since early beta if they don’t fix combat , because everyone I knew refuses to play the game because the combat in DT is horrid.

FYI, WOW target combat , you can cheat just as easy, and people lag as well, Darkfall and Mo did not fail they are both still online, but they both are indies, and have less money, look at Skyrim, if that game was an MMO it would of done well, people need to stop being babys and handle combat that takes skill…

I been playing games since they came out and been in game design most real sand box players, will not like WOW style combat and won’t touch this game, there for it will fail watch and see …

• This reply was modified 102 days ago by  recon03.
• This reply was modified 102 days ago by  recon03.

Guys, I’ve been playing online games with PvP since MUDs in the 80s (yeah, I’m a 43 years old fart). I was in UO beta. I’ve seen all types of PvP combat implemented in all mainstream MMOs and most smaller ones too since then. I’ve a pretty good experience of what worked and what failed.

“Twitch” combat, without targeting, doesn’t work in a MMO. Yeah it works in games like Skyrim… but Skyrim is NOT a MMO. You don’t interact with other players in Skyrim.

And saying that “tab targeting” combat is automatically gear based is just complete nonsense, of course. You can make a “tab targeting” combat system which would be absolutely not gear reliant, and a “twitch” based one which would be heavily gear reliant, the core combat and the gear reliance are completely different parts of the mechanics of a game.

More nonsense: People who hate twitch lack skill. Can’t you guys find any better arguments than making broad generalization based on assumptions about other people who may actually have played those games for much longer than you?

Pretending “real sandbox players” (the “real” made me laugh out loud…) won’t play a sandbox game with “tab targeting” is nonsense. Don’t generalize your own little world to the entire universe. I’m a “real” (haha…) sandbox player for 25+ years and I would actually be way more wary of another potential failure with “twitch” combat than a game that uses the proved and working “tab targeting” system.

The first thing WAI must make sure of though for Dawntide to be a success is that PvP is HEAVILY controlled to avoid this game to end as another mindless gankfest. Crafters, PvEers, explorers, all those people must be able to enjoy their play style too. That’s even more important than the combat system. If this game ends like DFO and MO, a gankfest where any other playstyle than PvP is crushed by PvP, it will just be another failure on the list of failed sandbox attempts of these last years. And yes, that’s a fact, I actually played those games, I even have a collector pre-order of MO sitting on my shelf… In DFO and MO, PvP took over the whole game and destroyed any other playstyle.
And they must avoid the mistakes those other games made. The “twitch” combat is one of those mistakes which proved not to work in a MMO setting.

• This reply was modified 102 days ago by  Wildcopper.
• This reply was modified 102 days ago by  Wildcopper.

I wouldnt be too upset if their was a tab target system with like 2 diffrent attacks for mele and your skills like strength and dex determined how fast you can use them and how much power they do so there’s somewhat of a twitch combat feeling with a tab target. Like their would be attacks like Slash, Stab, And overhead all having their disadvantages and advantages with certain weapons and against certain armour. You could individually skill up the 3 attacks and that would be your custom play style.

I cant really think much about how this would work for archery and magic to make it feel more realistic other than making it harder to hit people that are moving and not be a guided missle chasing a guy around like some old british comedy. I think this would make people atleast think about constantly moving so you are not peppered down by arrows or burnt down by magic.

This would also mean realistic distance with weapons so no WoW 50 foot swords that ghost hit you. Also this would also mean no attacks like super swirl wind of gayness.

“A MMORPG with less than 10k subscribers is not a failure, it’s a utterly total disaster. ”

That is a completely unfair statement. A game does not need anywhere near 10k subscribers to be a success. These are small dev teams with much smaller budgets than games like SWTOR, thus they don’t need anything close to the number of subscribers those bigger games need.

““A MMORPG with less than 10k subscribers is not a failure, it’s a utterly total disaster. ”

That is a completely unfair statement. A game does not need anywhere near 10k subscribers to be a success. These are small dev teams with much smaller budgets than games like SWTOR, thus they don’t need anything close to the number of subscribers those bigger games need.”

Less than 10k, you get new content like every 5 year. MMORPGs needs to have healthy sub base. I’d say more than 100k is good start, that means 1 mill monthly, should make every dev happy.

• This reply was modified 70 days ago by  Suomijamppa.

I dont know if you’ve ever played Darkfall but its exactly the opposite. 95% of your time is killing mobs, macroing, afk-swim. (PVE) They killed the PVP when they made it possible to characters to grow too strong, difference between noobs and vets are way way too big. Hopefully some decent size of companies start to make Darkfall clones, at least we gave them hell and showed this genre aint dead.

• This reply was modified 62 days ago by  Suomijamppa.
• This reply was modified 62 days ago by  Suomijamppa.
• This reply was modified 62 days ago by  Suomijamppa.