Open PVP and Full Loot

My wife, who also played the DT beta and liked it (Wife was Cepheus, Pathy) is now trying WoW. She started on a PVP server as we had a couple of friends from SWG that still came into our vent server, got her toon to about level 41, and just told the friends that she’s moving to a PVE server. Even in WoW, with no full loot, she was griefed to the point where she couldn’t level or gather. And she tended to PVP in galaxies a bit, not a whole lot, but she would go SF from time to time. You can bet that if DT goes with “forced” PVP for leveling toons, gatherers, crafters, her sub will be one that DT doesn’t have just due to the fact of what certain members of the PVP community does with that development. Altho, she very much liked the DT beta. But, most of her gameplay in DT was when PVP was completly turned off and/or was not full loot.

Content being other players in game can be a good thing as long as your not on the end that gets griefed/PKed every other move. There again, it’s not the system itself, it’s what players do with it. And we have had posters who actualy want this type of measure and very much look forward to it. They freely admit that their a PKer, criminals, etc and that’s the way they like it. I have seen this in other games that the ultimate “kill” is one that the other player /rages in zonechat and then /ragequits. Full PVP/full loot tends to draw these guys due to the fact that there is a reward for their actions (in taking away something from some1 else) but they are in just about every game, death penalty or not.

Pathy, you know the size of the last beta in terms of community. Even a free open beta, not many bothered. Let’s try to come up with a “sandbox” world that is actualy active.

• This reply was modified 111 days ago by  Esquire.

Do you remember what the last beta looked like? Just exactly how many people were playing? Even free? And does the attitude that you seem to have anything to do with the reason for all these other full PVP/full loot games being dead? “So what?” Let em die, right? Why build a game that will have a population as long as 1 can get what I want? Who cares?

The development compay and the investors in DT probably care enough for you and them. Let’s, at least, hope so or DT will just be another on the failed games list and at the end of that, you’ll be looking for a game also. Answer the question for you?

With all the respect, Esquire, your years of experience in SWG and your wife’s don’t represent majority of MMO demand, as my years of experience of many MMOs doesn’t either. (I mentioned in my earlier thread somewhere that I realized my opinion and experience,however I value them so much, don’t represent major phenomenon of these days.)\
In other words, I can only try to calculate based on very limited personal data. I cannot predict anything with believable certainty. And YOU cannot either.

And,
I don’t think it is just matter of commercial success that the devs try to achieve. If so, they wouldn’t jump into this unverified uncertain market in the beginning. They want to do it THIS WAY, and they want to find a way to achieve it THIS WAY. And as a person who REALLY REALLY wants this on market so I can enjoy this, I think it is proper to support if I can, and put my personal interests aside sometimes.

And yes, I think your opinion is a quite bit personal even though I can see you are trying to keep objective perspective. I can see you WANT it in that way you describe, more than you think it is right in that way.
Almost same as I want Dawntide’s target system to adopt Mortal Online’s, because I think it is much better but can’t really prove it since it is completely based on my personal experience and taste toward MMO, however I think it is superior and can spam pages of sentences ‘apparently’ logically perfect.

Bah, I kept it from saying for a few days.
I think you are quit a bit personal in this matter, Esquire.

FACT. everytime this game goes down, people crawl out of the wood work to want this or that.
FACT. when game comes back up 95 persent of these folks take a hike, leaving the ones that stay stuck with the ideas of thiers the devs put in place, for good or bad. mostly its been for the bad. As I have said for years now, “becareful what you wish for”

On a side note, I have played a few PVP games in the down time, and I can understand why so many want PVP here, and thats because it seems to be DEAD or dieing almost everywhere else.
I mean lets be real here before the downtime they turned PVP on and the already very dead game died even more. Even the pvpers we had didnt even bother to come back for that.

It just been to many games that have allowed pvpers to cheat hack god mode whatever, it has just left a bad taste in to many mouths to be a viable alternitive. As I said set an area aside for the PVPers let them try and kill each other with thier god modes on and they will move on in no time, however if they can kill the honest players, then your player base will move on.

/agree with your 1st post 200%, Tinker. Altho I hope your wrong in the 2nd post, as to hopeing they are listening and learning, and will develope accordingly. Good to see you back in the forums, Tink. With the small beta playerbase that DT had, one would hope that a 20+ page thread would at least get some attention, anyway. I know Pathy has pointed this thread out to Wiz, etc. (Thx Pathy) I have pointed this thread out to a dev, myself also.

I’m still on my vent just about every night cept for running STFs (raids in STO) which I then use the guild mumble server. Stop by and say howdy. STO is now F2P also if you would want to try that.

• This reply was modified 110 days ago by  Esquire.

Esquire, was unable to log into your vent for some reason, feel free to log into ours.

and iam sticking to, game wont even come back up untill either it goes live or right before.

also at this point, I dont expect it to be really any diff than it was, when it went down.

check pms for ts info, yea it looks like they up to the same ole stuff, they get money and relax, then at last second they crunch, the sad part is when they crunch, they not to bad at it, if they just did that all the time theyd have a good game I bet ya. It seems they just start the crunch to late, end up in a panic and make mistakes they cant recover from.

I been having a blast in saints row, not my kind of game really at all, but having fun none the less