Politics In Relation to the Game World

Hold your horses (horses aren’t implemented yet btw), there’s no political system in Dawntide yet. I don’t get the purpose of this forum section and I hate politics, I guess it’s about diplomacy issues among factions…boring stuff…

And you forgot extreme anarchy, without written laws, based only on common sense and mutual respect (or based on who wields the biggest weapon)…survival of the fittest.mostly…that’s what you’ll find here. Maybe that’s why we play these games after all, isn’t it?

this part of the forum is gong to be THE most heavy and flame/propaganda laden part of the game.
right now there is just no reason to do any of it.

[quote=masterookoo]I’m putting this up for two reasons.
1. I’m bored.
2. I think it’s a good idea to have ready now for the day when this **** actually starts!
3. I’m bored.
4. Do you think I should move this to another forum?[/quote]

Ignore the trolls, this part of the forum is for what you posted…. The people here are just being jerks as usually in any game.

If they do not like it they can leave… I myself like the fact there will be poltics in this game as I can have my guild run a certain way and if people come near the town we have and break my laws we can pound them..

I love to pound people who break laws and get away with it..!

as long as it doesn’t turn into L2.

Politics are part of any MMO simply because you are dealing with human beings and all (to a greater or lesser degree) want to protect what they have and grow.

This can be done in many ways, some guilds are honourable that help others around them building a web of allies and respect (from both enemies and allies), others dictate, force and bully. The later is normally quicker to power but a much shorter life span where the first is slower to build but normally much more stable.

There are many other ways to do it but those tend to be the primary routes normally called Good / Evil though that does seriosuly over simplify the two.

Comments to the War section:-
1 – Completely correct, a single large entity will attract the dispite of other guilds and for various different reasons, some will be jealous, some will have been bullied by said larger faction but as this has happened in many games before the largest faction or coalition of factions gets targetted and although it takes time they do all fall. This is attributed to external pressures that will constantly be hammering them, the glory seekers who only want to join the biggest group and rarely then help the group and internal issues of running such monsters tends to eventually break them. Only a truely charasmatic leadership holds those together and players quit or burn out.

2 – You could be waiting a long time for that to happen, in one game my community has played it took us 2 years to break an enemy that was 50% larger than ourselves with more resources and equipment. However if we had not constantly warred on them we would not have improved our skills to the point where we attacked them in so many places we divided their forces and won through attrition. You can’t sit on your hands and hope the enemy will go away you must fight bravely in the face of many defeats and LEARN. If the constant is that your enemy is larger than you, then you are forced to improve, to learn and to grow. Team work skills improve and over time you become stronger 1 on 1 than your enemy because you are more skilled at dealing with larger number of opponents. The main point here is don’t sit on your hands and wait get at them and fight, larger numbers does not ensure victory (it only helps)

3 – A totally disgusting practice and one not used by honourable and decent gaming communities. As you state in later comments remember these people are human beings this “point” suggests that causing internal strife between friends and guildmates is acceptable. There are many gaming communities and guilds that use infiltration as a standard tactic but there are also many that are honourable and decent players that do not resort to underhanded tactics. These are people you are playing against even if they use spies be the better person and raise above it. If your guild/community is a closenit group like ours (and I know a few communities that are the same) then offering their members in game items won’t bring them over. You failed in this comment to understand that most guilds function because they are friends and the correct term “guildmate” inplies a bond of friendship. Most gamers won’t sell out that for a few pixels.

4 – The idea is sound however if they are such a giant you face a few problems, 1 they will defend high priority resouces to the death, say they have 5 resources and you and said allies attack all they will defend the ones they can then promptly turn round and smash you when you try to defend the one’s you’ve taken. Added to that those giants tend to have the crafter/harvester types that lap up and enjoy gather, crafting and building. Guilds function on a large quantity of materials and the smart ones (which most are to get to the giant stage) have immense stocks to ensure that even should they lose all resources for a short or even medium length of time productivity doesn’t stop or slow. Added to that those giants could easily buy in mercenaries to assist in the protection of there land as is frequently the case.

5 – Unfortunately untrue, you can’t break the spirit of a group of players who don’t care about losses or game items. When the game is all about having fun as a group you the agressor hit a brick wall. Annoying a player does not force them to quit the game they just call in a few more guildmates to help deal with you. After spending 2 years as the underdog in another game and lossing many more battles than we won and yet still progressing to a position of dominance in that game i think that annoying us would be extremely hard as we thrive on challanges. Some of the most enjoyable battles haven’t been the one’s we’ve won but those that are hard fought or closely won/lost. It is the challenge that is enjoyable.

6 – This is closely related to the spying and i’d say good luck to this one, your success rate would be extremely low. Firstly if the enemy is successful then you are offering a more successful or equally success person something they already have with 1 small difference. In their current guild they know the situation, it is successful and they grow in your guild they do not know these things. The only people you’ll likely gain would be those who are generally not happy for whatever reason and would leave that guild anyway at some point. As most experienced guilds already know, not everyone suits a guild setup, some guilds are related others very strick and 1 player will not fit in with those or the varied guilds between.

7 – This is a pretty fair assessment of it, However this is extremely difficult to pull off, you must strike very quickly and be gone very quickly otherwise their members will gather and swarm you under, attack their city with a raid team, hitting a few buildings burn them kill a few then leave.

Addition – 8 – Know your enemy & and train yourselves:
If you truely want to take on someone who has more people & greater resources, then you are left with a few options. Gather in a group of like minded guilds and attack them directly (note for this you need a considerable amount of attackers more than the enemy as your coalition will not function in war as well as the defending guild which is lead by a few minds over your multiple leaders). Hunt down there gathering spots and wipe them out. Normally gathers in organised guilds have a protective detail of guildies who live for war, those normally go out and take over sentry duty while the gathers work and then ship loads of goods back so that gathers can continue to work while protected and large quantities of items can be gathered. We’ve found in other games that finding the behavour partens of your enemy track them, hunt them and kill them off bits at a time, make them fear to leave their protective city. This requires a mix of Guerilla war, teamwork and effort, This is a ongoing long winded way to deal with an enemy and train your own people at the same time however if you work at it for long enough your teams will invade attack, withdraw and leave devistation behind you.

Regarding Anarchy that one is simple, its the absense of a leading guild or group of guilds this normally occurs when a previously charasmatic leader falls or quits. At the start of any game it is not anarchy because the beta players/guilds form the starting factions/coalitions and quickly build up owned territory. It is only later when one of the founding and normally controlling guilds/factions falls or is annaliated that a brief period of anarchy kicks in.

All in all not a bad post about politics – they are essentail in a game and any guild that doesn’t take part in them tends to get shunted to the side as the other guilds gather up into coalitions or under the leadership of another guild. Being involved in politics these days isn’t an option if you want to make it big in a MMO.

~Waylanda~

Not to dispute in any way what you have said , but PvP does not seem to be the main point and or attraction for this game, the world building system is different from any other game on the market past or present though similar to UO , it differs in that this game demands for players to work together if they wish to truly accomplish anything worth talking about…. What they have if they can pull it off , they being the DEV team. Is a fantasy world that could possibly run very much like the real world.

As for a military dictatorship , the U.S military is not such a unit. Yes they have a chain of command as do all military units but it is the checks and balance at the upper end of that machine that keep it from being such.

Because of the uniqueness of this game design I do not think war and mass pvp will take over the game , there is much to much to achieve and build for the world to run that way. I do however agree that there will be certain elements/factions that try and intend to do this, which will again make for an interesting and unique experience.

Ah goonswarm does that probably one of the best, although I fought for BOB goonswarm leaders were very smart, and I plan to implement of the strategies, gor House Corrino.