Stealing, and accountability

Some form of limitations are imperative for putting the “multi” in multiplayer games.

MMOs, as well as any multiplayer game, offer the best achievements and accomplishments to those who are able to successfully coordinate with others. Its just fundamental.

As such, the ability to craft and create, fight and master everything on your own should be restricted in some form or fashion. The game shouldn’t force you to play with others, but by no means should it cater to those who think “winning” is accomplishing everything on your own, something that is unrealistic in the real world, which sandbox games attempt to conform to for realism and immersion. If you can do everything (hyperbolically) without anyone else, theres no point in the game being multiplayer.

The line of logic that supports multiple characters and self sufficiency only stands to hurt the multiplayer game model. Games thrive on offering some form of challenges and progression. If players have no need to rely on each other in a multiplayer setting, the game will leave the average player without any sense of accomplishment, accomplishment thats derived from interdependence, coordination and some level of communication and interpersonal skills or politicking.

Thats just laying the ground work of how a game should hypothetically operate. As to my opinion, I think it would be fair to have 2 characters. One whos a fighter type build, and 1 whos a crafter, with their crafting masteries being limited to only 1 major trade, and then perhaps secondaries.

Catnips, can I buy you copies of the Elder Scrolls titles. You sound like you’d enjoy them more, and those interested in playing MMOs seem to only stand to benefit from your absence.

I recognize Catnips has been a boon for the development of this game, i see the community defends him and his reputation as a founding player in dawntide that has been active in assisting the developers test this game, and i think that’s great.

I will not, however, apologize for how i respond to his inflammatory remarks. I don’t know if he actually is young and this is just how he behaves, or if english is not his first language, or if he simply likes to incite conflict with people who don’t follow his ideologies, but i will continue to react as any normal person does when they are insulted, generalized, dismissed and discounted — with opposition.

It is possible to have discussions between people of two opposing views without someone saying the other’s opinion is “worthless”, or that the ideas they bring up are inherently flawed in virtue of their playstyle, rather than their being flawed on their own merits.

I come from 4 years of forums where conflict is constant– where people make no bones about it when they think you’re wrong, they’ll tell you why you’re wrong, and they’ll tell you not just how poor a player you are but often will tell you how this reflects how poor a person you are in real life. This forum is mild in comparison, as have my posts and retorts have been.

I have attempted to remain diplomatic and emotionally detached in the face of such blatant disrespect and so far nothing I nor Dullahan has said to, or about Catnips is anything more than G-rated compared to the things people would be saying to him in other forums i’ve visited.

No one’s making death threats here, GMPathy. Discussions that evoke these kind of reactions just require a little thicker skin.

• This reply was modified 217 days ago by  ColonelTEE3.

Sure, 5-8 people will attract people to the game, but what kind of game? Following your philosophy of “the game needs as many people as it can get”, it may as well be another WoW clone since that seems to be the mainstream archetype of a successful mmorpg.

You need to keep in mind at what level are you compromising a good game’s characteristics to attract more people. 1 is definitely too few for a game with such limited potential of skill use. 2-3 sounds more appropriate to maintain a certain level of independence, while still creating a need for more people to be able to do everything.

On a side note; 1% for 2 hours of downloading.. ouch

• This reply was modified 217 days ago by  ColonelTEE3.
• This reply was modified 217 days ago by  ColonelTEE3.

5-8 chars is the worst idea i ever heard. sure you pay for a game and you wanna make the most of it, but does that really mean you need to be able to do EVERYTHING? just to get your money’s worth?
sounds more like quantity over quality to me.

limiting chars/account to 2-3 for example doesnt mean you don’t get to experience the whole game, you still have that option, but if you have chars for every aspect of the game what’s the point of the different directions of char progression? i though DT was focusing on a community driven game. 5-8 chars per account doesn’t rhyme well with that.

if someone wants to experience all aspects of a game in the manner catnips mentioned it sounds more to me that a game like Elder Scrolls would suit better for that, since then you have it all to yourself with anyone disturbing.

Seems like 3 is the common denominator being agreed on here. Though its not up to us officially, i think it’s good we have this kind of discussion to represent what most people feel is a solid compromise between independence and interdependence.

The character limit doesn’t matter. People will just buy alts if needed.