Topic: The wipe. - Dawntide

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October 12, 2011 at 1:59 pm #9086
Jprules Player	I think players that played in the Beta should have some advantage over new players after release. Players that play the beta bothers to deal with the bugs and play to stress test the game and I think it’s lame to have them all wiped off.
October 12, 2011 at 2:19 pm #9087
GMPathy GameMaster	You have the advantage of understanding the game mechanics and how best to build characters. You have a prior knowledge of the game world and the best areas to settle. You have the advantage of knowing which skill sets work best together. To do anything other than completely wipe the database would hurt initial take up of new players, and therefor damaging the game long term. Having a skill cap negates any long term advantage of length of play, but in terms of conquest and the race to secure the best land is going to be interesting to some of the larger factions. You could argue that with a skill cap there will be no long term advantage for letting beta testers keep characters, but they would be able to create towns from day one, where a new player would take several days of training to attempt to do the same. This is the primary reason why this sort of advantage should not occur. Also worth thinking about some testers that registered a year ago or more and have gone AWOL, do they deserve any advantage. Or the testers who play daily for the last 18months doing hundreds of hours of testing, do they deserve more than the player that has never submitted a bug report but has been in game plenty. From my perspective all arguments point towards wiping everything clean, the map and the character database.
October 12, 2011 at 2:45 pm #9089
dzarren Player	I so agree With Patty, i have been playing intensively last 2 weeks, i have learned so much about the game, no new player could even know in a few days. I dont like the idear of a wipe because of my effert put in building this char but the experience compensates this. I only hope there will be an patch which will fix the biggest problems soon so we can maybe started an prelude time like Xsyon does, would really love that. And yes i wouldbe willing to pay for this game, only not the maximum rate asked for ready games. Even with the bugs i still like playing the game and am grateful for the free experience offered me .
October 12, 2011 at 3:01 pm #9091
afterclap Player	wipe +1 although early access kind of thing wouldnt be such a bad idea, much like xsyon does but with some actual progress tied to it and all major bugs and game mechanics in place so the early access crowd dont get an advantage that later is patched out for new players. looking forward to seeing the patch and how it works!
October 12, 2011 at 3:21 pm #9092
Draconan Player	Wipe is needed imo. I’ve played games that launch without a wipe and it does cost players. Many players that don’t like to test games will take advantage of btas to try the game out. They then will wait until the game launches and start at launch when the game is fresh. Not wiping characters leaves them bitter and some will leave. This is particularly try in this game as GMPathy points out, claiming land requires skills to gather materials and build, w/out a full wipe you are handing all the best locations to the testers leaving all non testers feeling burned, and a player that feels burned when they are in the trial stage won’t be reaching for thier credit card very fast if at all. The only thing I could see not being wiped would be names. A tester that has used a name for years should not have to worry about some prick taking their name.
October 12, 2011 at 6:23 pm #9123
Werewolfe Player	You’re giving attention to someone who actually says things like ‘lame’. Stop that. And no, no legitimized cheating for the ‘in-crowd’ of beta-testers.
October 12, 2011 at 6:42 pm #9178
ColonelTEE3 Player	Lol werewolfe. I agree with him though, and most of the posters here. Wipe is more than needed. I beta’d for darkfall and that game was a super-grind back then. I still didn’t want that advantage coming into the new game because it wasn’t fair. No good reason not to wipe here.
October 21, 2011 at 7:09 am #9605
Grimnir / NathanielHawk Player	Yep, wipe is needed. All should start from 0. Fair and square.
November 7, 2011 at 11:40 am #9956
tang Player	When testing people found some dupe methods I suppose.. Some of them was used before reported, so wipe is essential for game release :) In Ultima Online at 1999-2000′s some players has found and used a one o the dupe mothods (using packed horse and latern ^^). Some of this players were banned, some gold was destroyed but some gold checks that has left on their alts was enoght to destroy of game’s economy for a few years. Thats why better to wipe and start everything again )
November 7, 2011 at 1:50 pm #9959
FrankJ Player	I too agree that the wipe is needed , but do not believe it would destroy or turn players away if say the beta testers were given a small head start as a reward. Maybe something like 3 days.. just my opinion after all it is human nature… Either way I am looking forward to the game going live so my hard spent hours begin to mean something in the virtual world…
November 22, 2011 at 7:10 pm #10343
TheInternetMan Player	Definitely start from scratch, the beta tester’s knowledge gives them a large advantage out of the gate. Giving out a small cosmetic reward (maybe a hat or something) to players who have reported a bug or exploit throughout the beta seems like a good idea.
November 22, 2011 at 7:52 pm #10346
GMPathy GameMaster	Give Beta testers a “Sir” in front of their character names :D (optional) That to me is about as far as any benefit should go, any in game item would cause controversy IMO, from people who dont have it even if it is cosmetic. I would also add the restriction that they are account registered before the launch release date is published AND they pay for a lifetime subscription. :D But I have always been mean :p THIS IS OPINION/DESIRE/OPTION and in no way fact, rumour or speculation. I make suggestions not decisions :D This reply was modified 181 days ago by GMPathy.
November 22, 2011 at 7:56 pm #10348
tyirian Player	I hope they wipe the chars!
November 22, 2011 at 9:25 pm #10350
Hson Player	I agree that a wipe is needed, but there should also be something for people who’ve been testing for 1+ months. I like the idea of the “Sir”, but they’d have to do it for all characters on the account.
November 23, 2011 at 12:04 am #10351
Glossen Player	NO character wipe. This game takes the most hard work of any game I have ever played just to accomplish simple tasks. A lot of trial and error during exploration happens just to be able to figure out how things work and one becomes more efficient. Really, at that this point there really is no need for a wipe. Just get rid of the glitches and errors and lets keep on trucking.

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